/liberty/ - Liberty

>>102582

>1st column: FBI, J Edgar Hoover, and then descriptions of COINTELPRO, how the FBI has the ability to blackmail anyone in the U.S. and Hoover supposedly intimidated sitting U.S. Presidents ( https://www.britannica.com/biography/J-Edgar-Hoover ). COINTELPRO techniques are still in use to this very day

Reminds me of how the KGB took over the USSR. Technically, modern Russia is still ruled by a fucking KGB rat.

>>102582

I need to play that game again. The first time I played it I was so stupidly "WEHHH, I DON'T LIKE RAIDEN," that I missed all the cool shit and truth it was raining from left and right. Also, in retrospect, I now don't really mind Raiden all that much.

>>102596

>in retrospect, I now

Apologies for the contradictory speech. I'm going to bed.

>>102551

Needs more jews tbqh.

Americans scream that the USA is a free and peaceful country with a balanced budget and then turn around and say that they never said that.

>>99570

>however breaking nap is ok in nature

That's actually not true, though it wouldn't matter if it was. In nature when a creature fights another creatures, the attacker risks injury. Retaliation is inevitable except in the case of creatures which are either so fragile or so cowardly (for lack of a better term) that they can't or won't fight.

The closest I can think of is Rothbard's article on Chaos Theory.

>>99574

male lions kill offspring of female lion to make female lion be able to get pregnant sooner

Does anyone get the feeling that if the elites decreed that everyone must have their thumbs amputated, Americans would agree that the law makes sense and must be obeyed?

>>101063

thx

>>101084

pic 1. Johnson's Great Socoiety beginning in 1964

pic 2. Termination of the Bretton Woods system in 1971, which leads to…

pic 3. Debt Bubble buoyed by the petrodollar

This is just a simplified model of events and there are many more causes and factors in play.

>>100949

>The gap between productivity and compensation is the largest it's been in 40 years

>This proves that compensation tracks productivity perfectly, and people are just getting paid in benefits instead of cash

>>101108

The graph is closer than the one in OP, suggesting that compensation has been much closer to productivity than is otherwise implied. The reason for the gap may be found in the fact that a large portion of nonwage compensation is state mandated–workers don't have the option to select a job which pays entirely in cash rather than benefits because such jobs have been legislated out of existence. Since every worker must receive part of his compensation as benefits that aren't perfectly substitutable with one another, every potential worker who wishes to quit one job in order to seek another, better-paying one faces switching costs–there's some uncertainty as to whether or not the benefits received at the new job will be better or worse than the ones in the current job, as one cannot wholly discern the quality of benefits before experiencing them. Further, one cannot accumulate benefits in savings the way cash can be, which means that there is no stockpile of benefits on which one can draw during periods of frictional unemployment the way you can with cash. All of these factors mean that being compensated with benefits rather than cash makes workers less flexible with their employment decisions, and thus much more wage-inelastic. This results in them being willing to accept a lower wage when the government mandates them to take a portion of payment in benefits rather than wages. And this increased inelasticity is the reason for the increasing gap between productivity and compensation.

Americans are completely insane now.

Americans scream that there would be no unintended consequences if millionaires were taxed at a higher tax rate.

Americans swear that if toothpicks were banned today then there would be no chance tyranny would increase in the future.

Civil War 2.0 will be different than the first Civil War because the enemy is everywhere.

Hopefully, Americans will agree that the elites, soldiers, Gestapo, and politicians are the enemy and the Civil War doesn't become a race war or a war between Nazis and Commies.

Americans say banning apple pie would only punish the globalists.

Wow.

Americans say Cuba and Vietnam are free countries.

>>99850

because those jobs were useless in the first place

She was a fucking moron, who trashed strategic industries, created misery for the fun of it, hated govt spending but ran huge deficits anyway - despite running into a ton of oil and selling everything that wasn't nailed down, and kicking off a process of financialization that has landed the UK with some of the biggest debts, most overvalued property, and most over-leveraged banks in the world. Just an all round disaster. Never, ever, let a woman run a country.

Wow.

Americans think legalized drugs means drug use is mandated.

Americans say WWIII will never happen, but Americans also used to think that WWII would never start.

Americans used to think that the Titanic would never sink.

Romans thought Rome would never collapse.

Get your head out of the sand.

Wake up.

Look what is going down.

>>100744

>individuals have right of ownership over … goods that they have created

That's communism.

>>100817

except they do not recognize private property rights, so they do not truly "own" anything

>>100817

No. The owners of factories have a valid right to the equipment and infrastructure of that factory, since their suppliers had valid right of ownership over the equipment and transferred it to the owners. The owners of factories are not obligated to let workers use this infrastructure for free. The employment contract that workers, of their own free will, agree to, grants right of ownership over the goods that the workers create (this right of ownership was freely transferred from the worker to the owner) in exchange for payment and use of factory infrastructure.

>>100819

>valid right

>free will

>right of ownership

Feel free to prove that any of these not only exist, but are inherently coherent concepts which can exist.

Those who praise tyranny are mentally ill.

>>100343

A better question would be how many of us lolbergs have read it. I'm 40% of the way through. Excellent quality, but one of the driest books I've ever read.

>>100343

Did they make a movie of it that I can watch?

>>100343

Read Rothbard’s Man, Economy, and State first.

>>100346

Very nice!

>>100359

Also very nice, 40% is good progress.

>>100372

No, literally read a book.

>>100373

I am about 60% through with MES, I read Human Action before that. I like both very much, but perhaps MES is easier to start with for most people. For me, Human Action was better, because it went more in depth on the methodological stuff. To each his own.

One of the reasons the US is collapsing now is that Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming Fascists and Communists.

Americans think the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state.

Americans say that they love freedom, but then they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects.

Every country has the government it deserves.

>>104066

>>104082

When Hitler took power a recovery was already underway and unemployment was decreasing. A restoration of normality could have happened under any government.

Oh hey, this thread is still around. I was about to respond to

>>102577

>>104066

But

>>102578

>>104082

Beat me to it again with a much "better" thought-out response along very similar lines.

>>102523

what board do you think you are on.

If Communism doesn't work in Cuba then why do Americans want Communism in the USA?

>>99964

https://mises.org/wire/gdp-growth-not-same-thing-real-economic-growth

Why does share of global gdp matter?

There's a billion Asians now, most of them in slum conditions. Theres money in that part of the world and I get cheap products from it. Where's the problem?

>>99964

Asia is just growing faster than EU and US. But all three grow, so it is good for all three.

>>99971

GDP is really just "Maximum taxable income" of the country. It's a statistic sovereign nations collate so they can more easily get loans.

Americans laugh and say everyone in jail should be executed, but what will you say when you get arrested for buying a gun, using hate speech, remaining silent, or owning a stove?

>>101166

Why shouldn't they? What you are seeing is the natural outcome of mass democracy being allowed to run amuck.

>>101166

for political gain.

why would they be honest?

In a computerized civilization, encryption is the fundamental building block of liberty.

— Julian Assange

>>101164

Well shieeeeet

So much for not using a VPN

Wow.

Americans say North Korea is a huge success.

>>95378

>cash-less currency, social credit system and universal income

That is the future of the western civilization after the debt usury racket nullifies the economy. And crypto is a test run, and will be outlawed once the official currency launches. This is why the west is getting violently destabilized, to prevent retaliation once the west realizes that the jews have stolen all their wealth and freedoms.

>>101237

Jesus.

>>95378

these ressources will be owned by someone. what central ownship will do is alignment. however there is nothing inherent about central ownership that causes the ressource to be used in a good way.

Make a cryptocurrency bank?

If you said that the government was wiretapping your phone in 1999, everybody would have called you a nutjob.

Now if you say that the government is wiretapping your phone, no one cares.

How can Americans sleep at night now or look in a mirror without feeling disgusted and ashamed?

Communism doesn't work because people are self-serving shitheads. Even if everything is perfect, we seek an advantage over our fellow man. Everything is great, lets throw someone out over pointless drama! When everyone is collaborating and sharing, some psycho NEEDS to fuck everyone over and take it all for themselves. They might just destroy everything of value in the process, in that case, they just enjoy the power.

I've been in communes and seen this happen in person. These days, I've been putting trust in things I know are working. I believe in small incremental improvements and distrust people who make fantastic claims.

>>101067

>Capitalism is when literally anyone can walk off the street and run the company

Is there only one company in the entire world?

This collectivist tripe, assuming "the capitalist class" has a set of uniform interests and so does "the working class", is completely ignorant of game theory and psychology. The capitalists' greatest enemy is other capitalists.

>This collectivist tripe

…such as one person owning and orchestrating the collective actions of others?

Words don't mean shit to you, do they?

Is there much difference between the elites who are destroying the US with wars, debt, and tyranny and the Americans who accept the wars, debt, and police state?

You can't really be sure man has been to the moon, but you can be sure that the World Trade Center is no longer standing.

If governments cannot shut off the Internet then why did the Myanmar turn off the web?

Nigga, where are you going to immigrate to? I sorely desire a state that is more free than the US but I know not of a single one. Sweden is the only state I know of which did not implement draconian house arrest policies, but they are unfree in a number of other ways. There are parts of Africa and Asia where one can live unmolested by any government, but only if you produce nothing and decline to participate in the market.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there really is a freer alternative to the US. Please elucidate me.

>>105498

>As Liberty in the US seems to fade

It is funny how much a difference a year can make. With the Covid/BLM fiasco, the elites underestimated how much the popularity of the 2nd amendment would sky rocket with the new first time gun buys, even among Democrats. I foresee a lot of "boating accidents."

Ignore the whining of the state and go down shooting if they try to take your property from you.

Wow.

Americans say people should be jailed for victimless crimes.

Would crime rise if everything was legal?