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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 60b5f8f0f82ad67⋯.jpg (77.06 KB,1161x653,1161:653,seastead.jpg)

 No.101408 [Open Thread]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-19/libertarian-seasteaders-facing-execution-thailand-charges-violating-national

http://archive.is/u9tYY

>Despite its location just outside of Thailand's territorial waters, leaving it outside the reach of the country's laws according to international maritime law, the world's second "seastead" was raided by Thai police earlier this week as the country's military-dominated government pressed charges of violating national sovereignty against the two bitcoin enthusiasts who had lived there.

>The couple, Chad Elwartowski and his partner Supranee Thepdet, who goes by Nadia, could face life in prison or a death sentence in a Thai court if they are caught and formally charged. The two had sought to be pioneers in the seasteading movement, which advocates building structures anchored in international waters to allow people to live outside the control of governments and their laws.

>Thai authorities revoked Elwartowski's visa and said they would destroy the seastead within a week. The crackdown has dashed the couple's plans to build 'underwater restaurants' and 'floating hotels' to Phuket.

>But Thailand's navy said the couple's outpost still endangered national sovereignty, charging them with article 119 of the Thai Criminal Code, an offense punishable by life imprisonment or death.

>Build a 6m box floating in the middle of the fucking ocean

>Potentially get the death penalty for an offense as nebulous as "endangering national sovereignty"

Gee, I wonder why they wanted to move to the middle of the ocean? Seems to me "recreational nukes" will be an important prerequisite for establishing a free society in a den of tyrannical governments.

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 No.102548

You can buy floating home for $150,000 from Ocean builders.

https://ocean.builders/purchase/

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 No.102601

<people are going to die

How is that a bad thing?

>>101417

Call Peter Thiel, he sure will give a fuck about justice in Thailand.

>101417

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 No.102769

MUH BOAT MUH PROPERTY.

this is funny af though

fuck da police.

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 No.102788

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They should have hire the private military contractors to protect their aqua castle. Like other anon said, build the aqua castle close to Australia. Australia is laid back and Aussies are happy to trade with the Seasteaders.

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 No.105891

No one under 45 years old will ever know what freedom was and almost everyone under 55 will live to see the end of the USA.

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File: 569df77cfdf58f9⋯.png (235 KB,1101x547,1101:547,8CHANMANIA_28.png)

 No.101797 [Open Thread]

WE'VE BEEN NOMINATED FOR 8CHANMANIA'S SITE WIDE EVENT!

What is it?

/v/ Nominates 32 fighters to fight for the Champion's Belt and a chance to fight in the 33rd Mania and win the season championship

This week we're having a site wide event and we want YOU to nominate a fighter, so please pick who you think represents the board the most, and then come join us at https://cytu.be/r/8chanmania on Sunday May 12th at 2pm EST to watch your fighters win!

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 No.101974

>>101964

Being tied and unable to break any sort of gridlock in a meaningful and pragmatic way would be the most /liberty/ thing I've ever heard of.

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 No.102006

I'm tiebreaking in favor of Pinochet, so he's our guy unless someone really sneaks it in.

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 No.102009

>>102006

Too bad, Big Ben is my vote.

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 No.102175

Hoppe made it to the semifinal only to get defeated by literally Nothing.

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 No.105890

Americans don't seem to understand that the USA is a police state.

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File: f0d034027465c49⋯.png (405.05 KB,3141x2593,3141:2593,increaseInRegulation.png)

 No.100800 [Open Thread]

To what extent do you think that the massive uptick and increase in financial regulation before 2008 caused the financial crisis?

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 No.100804

File: f25fc8c5bc553d2⋯.jpeg (11.76 KB,224x225,224:225,leftypolPostingInLiberty.jpeg)

>>100803

You know what, I'm all for pre-emptively posting with a post that is completely flips around the /leftypol/posts we get on this board all the time even if it is a little wrong. It shows the /leftypol/posts that we know the fucking points they're going to make well in advance: to the point where we're able to make the completely opposite point they're going to make. At the very least, maybe we'll actually hear something original instead of a repost of "le socialist Sweden" thread or "Venezuela is actually capitalist" for the gazillionth time. More importantly, libertarianism actually goes on the goddam rhetorical offensive for once instead of constantly being flooded with defense on every god damn thread on the front page.

But anyways, I think you're spot on. It's the goddam FED.

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 No.100805

>>100804

>You know what, I'm all for pre-emptively posting with a post that is completely flips around the /leftypol/posts we get on this board all the time even if it is a little wrong.

I appreciate the cheekiness as much as you do. It's just my autistic pedantry happens to override my appreciation.

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 No.100806

Capitalism gets crises. That's all there is to it.

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 No.100809

File: d94184d8ec023e7⋯.jpg (10.12 KB,236x193,236:193,1410552354762.jpg)

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 No.105888

Americans say that the answer to tyranny is more government.

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File: 4bc701cc0ed0d2b⋯.png (311.55 KB,812x960,203:240,4bc701cc0ed0d2baa3cf753dd8….png)

 No.102373 [Open Thread]

Explain this.

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 No.102433

>>102409

>Mending a broken bone, getting medicine, having X-rays etc. Is the same as splinting it and having a wellness checkup

You're delusional, dude.

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 No.102436

>>102412

Tell that to the hundreds of third worlders who die each year drilling it. Fossil fuels are from fucking plant matter.

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 No.102437

>>102429

But what if helicopters don't exist because technology was destroyed in a nuclear holocaust

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 No.102455

File: 23e01650de4fba3⋯.png (129.99 KB,1134x1357,1134:1357,1505288440471.png)

File: 7ddfdc2de76c74f⋯.jpg (80.71 KB,726x1024,363:512,1518631119504m.jpg)

File: 06485351a17eb72⋯.jpg (210.44 KB,1024x576,16:9,1389218943999 (1).jpg)

Alright, you want to make healthcare more affordable? Here's a three step plan:

>End inflationary monetary policy

The current monetary system in the US, like in all Western countries, is designed to enrich bankers and subsidize statism by inflating the money supply, thus stealing purchasing power from workers. Eliminate this system, and costs will go down, the value of savings will increase, and real wages will increase.

>No more subsidies.

State subsidies raise the cost of purchasing health service, since the state is able to overspend at a whim, driving up the price of healthcare.

>Deregulate the medical industry

End the cartelization of the medical industry through corporatist regulation schemes, and let competition drive down the prices.

Further points to consider:

>About 65% of the American medical industry is socialized

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/01/lawrence-wilson-md/americas-socialized-health-care/

>In 2018 there was a point when 133 out of 137 hospital trusts in England had an unsafe number of patients on their wards

>people are being left for hours on trolleys in corridors and stuck in ambulances.

>more than 120 patients a day are being managed in corridors in some places, some dying prematurely

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-42572116

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 No.105887

Americans who stay quiet while the USA collapses are no better than the globalists who are destroying the US.

Is anyone responsible for anything?

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 No.103686 [Open Thread]

We're about due for yet another Cockshott post. So, I thought I'd pre-empt it with a low-effort shitpost. Blabla, Cockshott is a genius who proved LVT and how WRONG Bohm-Bawerk was. :|

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 No.103779

File: f288aed5d7e57a5⋯.png (45.86 KB,658x470,7:5,CF9105DB-3B85-4561-89DE-95….png)

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 No.103784

>>103779

It's actually more of an in-joke. We have Cockshott threads with usually the same videos and same arguments so many times here.

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 No.103847

File: ae3c16b0350bc69⋯.jpeg (258.95 KB,971x1302,971:1302,7854A968-1E90-4FC1-9BCF-C….jpeg)

>Cockbutt

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 No.103962

File: 1180d66250e2e12⋯.jpg (5.16 KB,208x240,13:15,c3611aa5.jpg)

>>103847

>For simplicity, we are going to ignore capital, investments, and savings

That Cockshott is a comedian.

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 No.105884

One thing worse than living in a police state is finding out that no one cares.

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File: 30831a03fdfcb15⋯.jpg (24.88 KB,500x300,5:3,proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

 No.102665 [Open Thread]

Hey /liberty/

So, I know this board is under constant attack, and the mods seem to have given up completely. Therefore, I want to start making quality threads again, regarding Libertarian morality and ideals.

I am a very pro-liberty person, boarding on AnCap. As such, when I engage with the free market, I like to make sure that my priorities are locked in. With that being said, where should we stand, with regard to Google. I constantly see a plethora of disparaging remarks thrown towards Google, due to them recording everything you do, tracking you, etc., from the /tech/ fags. Yet, many /tech/ posters believe in Richard Stallman, and the FOSS movement seems like totalitarian bullshit to me. If you were to follow it, you can only use like 1 browser (icecat or lynx), one OS, and you have to follow all of these tedious rules.

Anyway, here is the conundrum: Google is a free-market company, that offers services you do not have to accept. They are extremely efficient, secure, and good at what they do. On the other hand, they are anti-liberty, and as stated before, they track everything you do. Is it best to avoid Google products? If you use a competitor, that isn't as good, are you still making a Libertarian choice? Do Libertarians/AnCap people need to care about tracking, and how Google uses your data?

The reason I am asking all of this, is because, let's be honest: Google has a total iron grip on the technology world, but they have useful products. If I continue to use Firefox, Protonmail, etc., am I really a free-market advocate anymore? If a monopoly is really awesome and useful, and helps a lot of people, is it really bad? Do I deserve to use products, without having my data tracked/stored?

What do all of you think?

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 No.102925

>>102744

Every business and person “receives” government money, dumbass. The question to determine if something is part of the state is only if it would be insolvent without government support (or is complicit in the state’s major crimes). Carnegie Steel benefited from tariffs, but it was so hugely successful that it would hardly have mattered if it had them or not.

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 No.102949

>>102912

well i agree

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 No.102953

Gonna repeat what already has been said.

Internet couldn't exist in a free market, the infrastructures are there thanks to the State. There is nothing wrong with that, not everything should exist, and maybe internet shouldn't exist in the first place.

Then, on top of this, Google, Facebook, etc got a lot of money and legal privileges, of course they get almost a monopoly on tech.

So you have companies that dominate thanks to the State on an infrastructure created by States.

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 No.102971

>>102953

>only the state can create infrastructure

Literally a muh roads argument

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 No.105883

Americans think anarchy means that the government will give them food stamps and ban plastic bags.

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 No.101239 [Open Thread]

HEY GUISE, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT COCKSHOTT TODAY, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALL BTFO LMAO. HIS THEORIES SCREWED YOU GUISE UP SOOOOO MUCH! I AM READING MARX NOW AND CAN NOT BELIEVE THE LABOR THEORY OF VALUE WAS EVER THROWN AWAY. CALCULATION PROBLEM? LOL WHAT CALCULATION PROBLEM, LIKE JUST USE A COMPUTER LOOOOOOOOOOOL. SUBJECTIVE VALUE? HAVE YOU GUYS TRIED BEING MORE RATIONAL AND USING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD MAYBE? IT WAS INVENTED A FEW CENTURIES AGO, JUST LOOK AT A GRAPH OF STAGNATING WAGES. ALSO, VENEZUELA FAILED BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM. GOD YOU ARE ALL SO RETARDED.

It's been a week and I haven't seen a new ultra-commie thread, so I figure I'd post one for our commie friends, I'm sure they've just been too busy lately :^).

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 No.101249

File: 9c62f3e01c62d72⋯.jpg (7.32 KB,280x136,35:17,korwin łapie się za głowę.jpg)

>>101239

> LOL WHAT CALCULATION PROBLEM, LIKE JUST USE A COMPUTER LOOOOOOOOOOOL

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 No.101251

When you run out of arguments you just imagine socialism with robots

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 No.101253

>>101239

>It's been a week and I haven't seen a new ultra-commie thread

That's a good thing, you dumb nigger.

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 No.101255

>>101251

Even that would fail.

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 No.105882

The destruction of the US is completely planned and scripted.

Doesn't the fact that the 2000 page Patriot Act was written and passed immediately after 9/11 seem odd?

Doesn't the fact that all the governments in the world were immediately prepared for the virus with masks, thermometers, checkpoints, curfews, border closures, house arrests, and bailouts make you wonder?

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File: a8395dbece6a051⋯.jpg (209.2 KB,856x693,856:693,Screenshot_20190129-102200.jpg)

 No.97091 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

How would a society without a state and no limits on "personal freedom" not degrade into a degenerate multiculti Globohomo society? How would it last with no restrictions on trade? There would be deficits the economy would shit itself. You cannot privatize borders anyone would be free to wonder in. Society would lose all its values and no one would create children anymore and the society would ultimately die.

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 No.98382

>>98332

you havent taken the red pill yet fren

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 No.98387

File: e61fbb6cdbfd7ef⋯.png (207.59 KB,807x935,807:935,big brain intellectual.png)

>>98332

You are clearly much too smart for this board. Only reddit has the capacity to withstand your massive brain.

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 No.100205

>>97091

>ultra-capitalism

>39.2% statist

Man, who ever makes the political tests/compasses are retarded as fuck.

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 No.100228

>>97612

>tfw India is more pro-American government than America

Can we just ship all of our politicians to Pooville?

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 No.105881

Americans think the feelings of neighbors are more important than the rights of property owners.

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File: e631ac05867f858⋯.jpeg (9.58 KB,175x288,175:288,howifoundfreedom.jpeg)

 No.101128 [Open Thread]

Does anyone else like the book "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World?" Any other Brownouters?

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 No.101131

File: a5de3a563936cc0⋯.png (273.34 KB,592x724,148:181,libertarianism and islam -….png)

No but that title sounds like "how I accepted being a slave" unless it's about doing illegal stuff. Is it? If yes I will read

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 No.101134

File: 315988a13be34e5⋯.pdf (1.37 MB,Harry Browne — How I Found….pdf)

>>101131

The Table of Contents should answer your question pretty swiftly. You should also read the whole book.

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 No.101171

>>101134

Ayy thanks!

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 No.105880

If you said that the government was wiretapping your phone in 1999, everybody would have called you a nutjob.

Now if you say that the government is wiretapping your phone, no one cares.

How can Americans sleep at night now or look in a mirror without feeling disgusted and ashamed?

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File: ebbf23de95f7679⋯.png (1.23 MB,1024x576,16:9,Futuristic-1200X675-1024x5….png)

 No.101579 [Open Thread]

Doomers, Gloomers, Clowners, ideologues, and all. Suck it up or kill yourself. Fuck your memes.

You are living on the precipice of a new century and all I can hear all year all day is a bunch of slack jawed incompetents trying to tool the system into smashing good things we have going. Multiple narratives of the cyber-world into a psychological proxy war of established superpowers to destabilize the next. CIA / FSB / and whatever automated Chinese hackers scripts are running through the net. Democratic free speech doesn't allow us to think anymore. It has made us small. If you are above 25 to 30 years old, you are an adult that should have grown out of collegiate nihilism.

Microsoft: from zero to a Trillion dollar company that defined the personal computer market.

Amazon: from a tech boom ebay clone that sold obscure warehoused books, to the central source of international retail.

Google: from a garage search query platform to the one stop shop for global information.

Cucks complaining about monopolies of industries that never existed whose market share is reliant on bringing billions in new revenue that didn't exist decades ago. No true monopoly exists without government regulation. No natural monopoly exists unjustly without providing the best product on the market at the most efficient price. Nobody cares about Yahoo, MySpace, AOL.

Freedom and technology has eliminated jobs you really didn't want to do for opportunities that you never thought existed as a child. You are never getting it back. We have a bright exciting century ahead, and all we keep hearing about is the complaints of guys who've either fucked themselves or are too far unwanted to be worthwhile in the market. If the state is to exist as a strong central authority, it must be used to ruthlessly protect free markets responsible for exponential growth. Electoral infighting, Liberal Democracy, and every identitarian manifestation of the left must be silenced. Chinese Authoritarianism has done the greatest thing with political censorship, outlawing electoral parties, and the self-regulation of it's industry by technocratic leadership that has turned irrelevant fishinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.101635

Shit meme. Why'd you bother writing so much?

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 No.101888

>>101580

>Ecological collapse

Is this the 12 years meme or something worse?

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 No.101913

>>101888

just wait 8 more years, only the strongest will survive

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 No.101918

You're the worst kind of stupid: The kind that thinks itself smart and profound.

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 No.105879

You know that the US is doomed when Americans would rather attack those who defend freedom instead of criticizing the government that is enslaving them.

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File: b59e3de48630331⋯.png (95.86 KB,1920x1056,20:11,8chanboards2.png)

 No.100067 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

The Battle Of The Boards

8chan is mostly filled with statists. Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism? I couldn't find any. I see a lot of smart people on /liberty/ but I think most intelligent people steer away from 8chan because of all the retards on here.

If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

Let me know, if enough people care I'll make it.

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 No.100244

>>100226

>no counter argument

>random insult

And I mean random, where did you even got chink from?

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 No.100245

>>100220

Well, the first pic is pretty damn stupid, as Christianity did not originate in Europe. It originated in the Middle East, and stayed there until the Mohammedan conquests hundreds of years later. It spread over Europe, yes, but also over North Africa, and further over the Middle East. It was never racially homogenous.

It's even more stupid when you consider that most white supremacists have a weird boner for the Scandinavians, who, however, came rather late to the party. The Mediterraneans, who are still derided by some white supremacists, were christianized early on, as were the Hebrews and Middle Easterners. The prototypical "Aryans", the Scandinavians, were still praying to their gay nigger gods when half the Middle East was Christian. it wasn't until later

I'm not even an anti-racist, but racialism as an ideology is pathetic. No one even manages to stay consistent with it. Just be a cultural chauvinist retard.

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 No.100246

>>100222

Kek, that stuff is glorious though!

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 No.100253

File: e8320bd413a878c⋯.gif (1.21 MB,310x314,155:157,nostyle.gif)

>>100244

Because the way you type reminds me of chinks trying to pass off China as some new economic wonderland and that it's all over for the whites, etc etc. Now of course it could be my mistake in perception and by all means you could be the whitest person on the planet but you sure do play the "I'm a fucking retard who can barely speak English" act pretty well I'd have to say.

>no counter argument

>implying there was an argument to begin with.

Kvetching about your misunderstanding of basic principles and the invasion of 'snowniggers' in a sub-humanoid manner is hardly an argument anon.

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 No.105878

The boxcars won't even be needed because Americans are so enslaved now that Americans will drive themselves to the concentration camps.

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 No.99785 [Open Thread]

What does /liberty/ think of street art? Isn't there something freeing about putting your name on something sacred to a normie for the enjoyment of yourself and those who can appreciate it?

>>>/bench/

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 No.99788

First, 99% of street 'art' is just niggers marking their territory with ugly letters and gang signs.

Second, you have no right to mark others property. If you want to paint a mural on your own building that's fine, if you want to get permission from the property owner that's fine, but it's disgustingly narcissistic to deface and vandalize just because you feel the urge to.

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 No.99791

>>99788

This, pretty much.

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 No.99794

>>99785

street art should be illegal like in singapore

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 No.105877

Americans laugh when New York outlaws ketchup, but do you think ketchup bans in New York might lead to ketchup bans in Vermont and Kansas?

Do you think ketchup bans might lead to mustard bans and toothpick bans?

Do you think that the Satanists are going wake up and restore the Bill of Rights, decrease the debt, or end the wars?

Does anyone see what is going on?

https://minichan.net/topics

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 No.92213 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

I wanted to make a right-wing reading list initially, but turns out I cannot, in good conscience, make one while omitting the libertarian aspect of it, which I believe is genuinely right-wing, whereas shit like national socialism and distributism are leftism in disguise.

So I took our old reading list and amended it. I also cut a few entries, like Molyneux (he is pretty low-tier), the New Libertarian Manifesto (everything from it is pretty much included in the Agorist Primer), and Nozick (he just isn't that good and hardly relevant anymore).

Hope this is of help for someone!

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 No.101242

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 No.101247

>>101242

meh

im already in favour of legalisation of all drugs

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 No.102356

>>101242

This is the most retarded, edgy and try-hard thing I've ever read in my entire life. The cringe. Holy fuck, the cringe.

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 No.102375

>>102356

How cringe is it? What are examples of some cringy material?

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 No.105876

Libertarians must be obsessed about liberty now.

Talk to people everywhere. Pass out flyers. Print out business cards. Make a website. Start a newspaper. Rent a billboard. Make songs and movies about freedom.

You might be the last one defending freedom, but you must live with your conscience.

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 No.103348 [Open Thread]

Libercucks, once the goverment stops protecting you, how will survive? There will be no police to enforce laws that protect you from niggers, commies, fascists, etc

>inb4 i will teleport behind them and shoot them in a milion pieces with my mcnuke

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 No.103397

>>103378

You're assuming they'd have a monopoly on violence. If they start demanding too much, you can leave them and join another company. If you can't, then that still doesn't suggest they'll be untouchable. You *might* end up with a mafia, but that can be the case even now. Mexico has a mafia and it's not lacking in government, and the Chicago Police Department has acted like a mafia in the past (probably still does). The police department in my town of birth has bossed my family around more than any mafia in the area.

>>103362

Its track record when it comes to protecting my family is also abysmal. My family was once asked by the DA to take care of the store of a neighbor who was put in custody for selling drugs. So we did, but that meant selling much of his inventory. We talked about this with his lawyer, and he gave it his okay. We assumed the lawyer knew what he was talking about.

A rather short time later, our neighbor got out. He threatened us at least three times, and each time, the police took way too long to respond. First time, they didn't come at all when I called them, just laughed in my face and pretty much told me I deserved it for hanging out with drug dealers (at the request of the DA?). My mother had to call them, they arrived an hour after the guy was gone. Second time, two cops came, they seemed like two genuinely nice guys, but they couldn't do anything, apparently. Third time, my mother had to tell them the history we have with the neighbor including the deal we had with the DA, our family history, her blood group and the history of Constantinople in the 4th century before they would come.

Last time I called the cops was on a different matter. This time, they charged me for protecting myself, and their police reports were worthless. They didn't even know what the area looked like. It was clear they didn't want to work on the case, and yet they did.

So, the next time anyone gets in my face, I will not bother to call the cops. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.103423

>>103397

>My family was once asked by the DA to take care of the store of a neighbor

Why was your family obligated (or forced?) to manage your neighbor's business?

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 No.103425

>>103423

We weren't obligated. We could've denied the request, but back then, we didn't think it was that much of a big deal, and we certainly didn't expect such a big shitstorm from developing out of it. Most importantly, we didn't think the DA would fuck us over so badly. You'd think if you responded to their request, they'd actually care a little bit about your wellbeing, but no. Nothing. There is very little loyalty in the public sector.

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 No.103835

>>103348

kike tier double-post. reported

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 No.105875

The USA is a bankrupt warmongering police state, but nothing will change because Americans think everything is just fine.

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 No.105861 [Open Thread]

Guess what niggas. I made a new anti kike symbol. Lets spread this shit and march with it

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 No.105867

>>105861

It's too gloomy, too closely associated with Death. So much so that one might think the anti-Zionist himself is dead.

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 No.105870

>>105861

this is totally liberty bro. nazi death cult symbolism. If i saw you with this shit i would decide in my mind to kill you if i ever had a good opportunity

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 No.105874

>>105861 this nigga think we finna agree with him, take your sweet ass back to pol

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